muslimamaroc a écrit: ------------------------------------------------------- > ds l'islam on c deja que c interdit de serrer la > main a 1hom et vis versa dc c logique que cela > anul les ablution mais moi osi je vien de le > decouvrir
tu trouves cela logique?
dans ce cas envoie les Hadiths??
ce n'est pas que je te crois pas mais ....je te crois pas
comment tu vx que je trouv hadith si ds la logiq 1hom et 1fam ne doiv pas se serrer la min ni se toucher c interdi, o moin si tu serre la min recomence tes ablution c ce que je fai o cas ou!!!!!!!!!!
muslimamaroc a écrit: ------------------------------------------------------- > comment tu vx que je trouv hadith si ds la logiq > 1hom et 1fam ne doiv pas se serrer la min ni se > toucher c interdi, o moin si tu serre la min > recomence tes ablution c ce que je fai o cas > ou!!!!!!!!!!
ecoute si tu n'as pas de hadiths dis le ça evitera de tourner autour du pot
g pa de hadith mais qq a demandè a 1 imam ki a confirmè cela, moi je serre la main qd on me la tend mais par precausion je recommence ablution sa prend que 5min. mnt chacun fais ce qu'il veut a chacun c prieres!!!!!!!!!
salam de mieux en mieux, au lieu de parler kom si vous connaissez tout de lislam apprenez à etre un peu tolerants ! bass, je ne tinclue pas dans ces dires bonne journée !
j'ai dejà entendu un truc pareil, mais jamais je n'ai eu une confirmation, ou hadith.. Si qqn a la preuve..Qu'il nous en fait part.. De toute façon qd ya le doute.. vaut mieux refaire les abulution, c gartuit!! et ca prend meme pas 5min..
Voici la preuve en detail (mais elle est en Anglais) je vais essayer de la traduire par la suite.
Salam.
La preuve:
Question:
I would like a detailed answer on the ruling on a man shaking hands with a woman, and the views of the four imams and the majority of scholars on that.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah.
Firstly:
It is not permissible for a man who believes in Allaah and His Messenger to put his hand in the hand of a women who is not permissible for him or who is not one of his mahrams. Whoever does that has wronged himself (i.e., sinned).
It was narrated that Ma’qil ibn Yassaar said: the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For one of you to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle is better for him than that he should touch a woman who is not permissible for him.”
Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani said in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 5045, that this hadeeth is saheeh.
This hadeeth alone is sufficient to deter and to instill the obedience required of us by Allaah, because it implies that touching women may lead to temptation and immorality.
It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah the wife of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “When the believing women migrated to the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), they would be tested in accordance with the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):
‘O Prophet! When believing women come to you to give you the Bay‘ah (pledge), that they will not associate anything in worship with Allaah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit illegal sexual intercourse’
[al-Mumtahanah 60:12]
‘Aa’ishah said: Whoever among the believing women agreed to that had passed the test, and when the women agreed to that, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said to them: “Go, for you have given your oath of allegiance.’ No, by Allaah, the hand of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) never touched the hand of any woman, rather they would give their oath of allegiance with words only.” And ‘Aa’ishah said: “By Allaah, the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) only took the oath of allegiance from the women in the manner prescribed by Allaah, and the hand of the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) never touched the hand of any woman. When he had taken their oath of allegiance he would say, ‘I have accepted your oath of allegiance verbally.’”
(narrated by Muslim, 1866)
It was narrated from ‘Urwah that ‘Aa’ishah told him about the women’s oath of allegiance: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) never touched any woman with his hand. He would explain to the woman what the oath of allegiance implied, and when she accepted, he would say ‘Go, for you have given your oath of allegiance.’”
Narrated by Muslim, 1866
This infallible one, the best of mankind, the leader of the sons of Adam on the Day of Resurrection, did not touch women. This is despite the fact that the oath of allegiance was originally given by hand. So how about men other than the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)?
It was narrated that Umaymah the daughter of Raqeeqah said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “I do not shake hands with women.”
Narrated by al-Nasaa’i (4181) and Ibn Maajah, 2874; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 2513.
Secondly:
It is not permissible to shake hands even with a barrier in between, such as shaking hands from beneath a garment and the like. The hadeeth that was narrated allowing that is da’eef (weak).
It was narrated from Ma’qal ibn Yassaar that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to shake hands with women from beneath a garment.”
Narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Awsat, 2855.
Al-Haythami said:
This was narrated by al-Tabaraani in al-Kabeer and al-Awsat. Its isnaad includes ‘Ataab ibn Harb, who is da’eef (weak).
Majma’ al-Zawaa’id, 6/39.
Wali al-Deen al-‘Iraaqi said:
The words of ‘Aa’ishah, “He used to accept the women’s oath of allegiance by words only” mean that he did so without taking their hands or shaking hands with them. This indicates that the bay’ah of men was accepted by taking their hands and shaking hands with them, as well as by words, and this is how it was. What ‘Aa’ishah mentioned was the custom.
Some of the mufassireen mentioned that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) called for a vessel of water and dipped his hand in it, then the women dipped their hands in it. And some of them said that he did not shake hands with them from behind a barrier and had a Qatari cloak over his hand. And it was said that ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) shook hands with them on his behalf. None of these reports are sound, especially the last one, How could ‘Umar (may Allaah be pleased with him) have done something that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who was ma’soom (infallible), would not do?
Tarh al-Tathreeb, 7/45
Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The most correct view is that this (i.e., shaking hands with women from behind a barrier) is not allowed at all, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth, according to which the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “I do not shake hands with women;” and so as to ward off the means that may lead to evil.
(Adapted from Hashiyat Majmoo’at Rasaa’il fi’l-Hijaab wa’l-Sufoor, p. 69)
The same ruling applies to shaking hands with old women; this is also haraam because of the general meaning of the texts on this issue. The reports that say it is permissible are da’eef (weak).
Al-Zayla’i said:
“As for the report that ‘Abu Bakr used to shake hands with old women, it is also ghareeb.”
(Nasab al-Raayah, 4/240)
Ibn Hajar said:
I cannot find this hadeeth.
(al-Diraayah fi Takhreej Ahaadeeth al-Hidaayah, 2/225)
Fourthly:
With regard to the views of the four imams, they are as follows:
1 – The Hanafi madhhab:
Ibn Nujaym said:
It is not permissible for a man to touch a woman’s face or hands even if there is no risk of desire because it is haraam in principle and there is no necessity that would allow it.
Al-Bahr al-Raa’iq, 8/219
2 – The Maaliki madhhab:
Muhammad ibn Ahmad (‘Ulaysh) said:
It is not permissible for a man to touch the face or hand of a non-mahram woman, and it is not permissible for him to put his hand on hers without a barrier. ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: “The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) never accepted a woman’s oath of allegiance by shaking hands with her; rather he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) used to accept their oath of allegiance by words only.” According to another report, “His hand never touched the hand of a woman, rather he would accept their oath of allegiance by words only.”
(Manh al-Jaleel Sharh Mukhtasar Khaleel, 1/223)
3 – The Shaafa’i madhhab:
Al-Nawawi said:
It is not permissible to touch a woman in any way.
Al-Majmoo’, 4/515.
Wali al-Deen al-‘Iraaqi said:
This indicates that the hand of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not touch the hand of any woman apart from his wives and concubines, whether in the case of accepting the oath of allegiance or in other cases. If he did not do that despite the fact that he was infallible and beyond suspicion, then it is even more essential that others heed this prohibition. It appears from the texts that he refrained from doing that because it was haraam for him to do so. The fuqaha’ among our companions and others said that it is haraam to touch a non-mahram woman even if that is not touching parts of her body that are not ‘awrah, such as her face. But they differed with regard to looking when there is no desire and no fear of fitnah. The prohibition on touching is stronger than the prohibition on looking, and it is haraam when there is no necessity that would allow it. If it is the case of necessity, e.g. medical treatment, removing a tooth or treating the eyes, etc., if there is no woman who can do that, then it is permissible for a non-mahram to do that because it is the case of necessity.
Tarh al-Tathreeb, 7/45, 46
4 – The Hanbali madhhab
Ibn Muflih said:
Abu ‘Abd-Allaah – i.e., Imam Ahmad – was asked about a man who shakes hands with a woman. He said, No, and was emphatic that it is haraam. I said, Should he shake hands with her from beneath his garment? He said, No.
Shaykh Taqiy al-Deen also favoured the view that it is prohibited, and gave the reason that touching is more serious than looking.
Le fait de se serrer la main est une chose recente son debut date de l'epoque "Hippy" cad fin des anes 60.
En fait au monde entier les Hommes et Les femmes ne se sont mis a se serrer la main que tres recement.
Une femme ne dois pas serer la main d'un homme sauf s'il est un mahram (Pere, Freres ...ect).
Contrairement a ce que pensent beaucoup de gens (le fait que les Hommes et les femmes ne se serrent pas la main) n'est pas une chose exclusive aux musulmans car les chretiens qui crainaient Allah soubhana se comportaient de la meme facon au debut du siecle.
Si les Hommes ont change de pratiques, Allah soubhanaho n'a pas change ses ordres les Femmes et les Hommes doivent rester modestes, et eviter la tentation du diable (ashaitano arajim) et ne pas transgresser les lois divines.
Wa 3alikom asalam
Traduction abregee du text ci desous:
************************************** 2.Why Muslim Women Don't Shake Hands?
You also inquired about Muslim women not wanting to shake hands with you due to the religion. I can understand how that might concern you. After all, I too used to be a typical man living in America after the hippy movement. But you have to understand that this was not always the case here in our country. In fact, it was not really the case anywhere in the civilized world until recent history.
As regards women shaking hands, actually the same does hold true for the men in Islam as well. You see a man can shake hands and a woman can shake hands, but only with members of the same sex, except for brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, close relatives and so on. This is not really that strange. The concept here is one of modesty.
You see, God-fearing Christians were the same way when I grew up. I was not proper at all for men to seek to shake the hands of women, nor the other way around. I can recall my grandmother and later on my own mother being very offended by men who offered to shake hands with the women. It was as though they had not proper manners and were probably not very good Christians either. After all, they would say, why does this man feel that he has to touch the women?
When I first started as a commission salesman in the late 1960s we were told not to extend our hands to the women unless they extended theirs first.
So, society changes its rules from one generation to another and the customs greatly depend on what people feel like doing.
But God doesn't really change things around or mix things up that much. If you look to the Bible in the Old Testament you will find that the idea of modesty was very strong in those days for the believers and women were definitely protected from men's unwanted advances. The New Testament makes it clear that the Old Testament is not canceled in any way, according to Mt: 5:17. Clear cut case of God's Will over man's will. Make sense?
The Quran is very emphatic about the members of the opposite sex protecting themselves from temptations by lowering their gaze and guarding their private parts [chapter 24:30, 31].
This was for both the men and the women to prevent them from being led into temptation and doing things that were forbidden by Almighty God.
Notice also in the New Testament the clear reference to a man not looking at a woman with lust. For just as he has committed it in his heart, so has he committed here on earth *******************************************
il n'est pas permis pour un homme qui crois en Allah et son messager de metre sa main dans la main d'une femme qui ne lui est pas permise, ou qui ne lui est pas un mahram, ce lui qui agit de la facon a en effet comis un pecher.
D'apres Ma’qil ibn Yassaar le messager d'Allah (sws) a dit :"Avoir une eguille enfonce dans la tete est mieux Pour l'un d'entre vous que de toucher une femme qui ne lui est pas permise"
Source: al-Tabaraani dans al-Kabeer, 486. Shaykh al-Albaani ce hadith est un hadith SAHIH
Ce hadith sahih est sufisant en soit pour interdir aux Hommes et aux femmes de se toucher car ca peux conduire a la tentation du diable et a l'immoralite.
Salaam Je confirme le fait de serrer la main a une femme (kan on est un homme et vice versa) annule les ablutions, je suis meme etonne ke certaines personnes ne le pensent pas.
Bass ton exemple avec la mere est hors sujet on parle toujours avec les personnes avec ki on pourrait se marier donc hors mere soeur fille etc...
On raconte que ‘Aa’ishah (radya allaho 3anha) la femme du prophete (sws) a dit: quand les femme croyantes on immigres au Propherte (sws) elles seront testes en accordance avec les paroles d'Allah dans le verset ci-dessous:
60.12. ô Prophète ! Quand les croyantes viennent te prêter serment d'allégeance, [et en jurent] qu'elles n'associeront rien à Allah, qu'elles ne voleront pas, qu'elles ne se livreront pas à l'adultère, qu'elles ne tueront pas leurs propres enfants, qu'elles ne commettront aucune infamie ni avec leurs mains ni avec leurs pieds et qu'elles ne désobéiront pas en ce qui est convenable, alors reçois leur serment d'allégeance, et implore d'Allah le pardon pour elles. Allah est certes, Pardonneur et Très Miséricordieux.
‘Aa’ishah a dit: toutes celles parmis les femmes croyantes qui a accepte la parole divine aura reussi le test, Le messager d'allah (sws) leur a dit : "Vous pouvez partir maintenat car vous avez prêter serment d'allégeance" Par Allah La main du messager d'allah n'a touche aucune main de ces femmes,Ces femmes ont declare leur allegence verbalement seulement, et il leur a repondu verbalement "J'ai accepte votre serment d'allégeance"
raconte par Muslim, 1866
salam
Si quelqu'un veux traduire le reste ou une partie libre a lui de le faire. Pour moi c'est assez pour aujourd'huit
Alahoma anirna bi nourik wa ihdina bi hadik wa sa2ira al moslimines
Modifié 1 fois. Dernière modification le 19/01/05 22:40 par Arabi77.
L'autre fois, j'ai embrassé dans la rue une femme (non musulmane) et on m'a dit que je devais refaire mes ablutions du fait qu'elle a (sans le vouloir de sa part et moi sans le savoir) annulé mes ablutions antérieures à notre rencontre.
Pouvez-vous confirmer ou démentir ?
Merci d'avance
Yazz
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